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Axiom2000
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 Posted - 10/06/2009 : 5:36 AM
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I have over 50,000 miles under my belt on my ultra with out the advanced training and wonder of the benefits for me.
I believe formal training from time to time is a good thing regardless of your miles or years of experience. You don't know what you don't know and if in fact you do know everything, it's never a bad idea to have an honest appraisal of your skills. Bad habits creep in from time to time, even Tiger Woods takes lessons. |
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SkootchNC
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Posted - 10/06/2009 : 5:49 AM
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Originally posted by dhalen32
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Originally posted by SkootchNC
Ultra,
You can go to the MSF site and read about the ERC, and it's curriculum, http://www.msf-usa.org/
and you can go to the HD site, and read the blurb regarding the Rider's Edge "advanced rider's class"
http://www.harley-davidson.com/wcm/...locale=en_US
Neither site reports deeply on the course, and Harley simply states the instructors are both MSF and HD certified.
As I understand the classes, (I've taken the MSF on my previous bike, as well as my current) The material is the same as the BRC, except the first portion is skipped, no introduction to the controls, or "paddle walking" involved. The class goes straight into the slow cone weave.
I believe any class you take, is better than no class at all. However there have been issues mentioned regarding the clutch on the RE's beginner class bike, as well as the "hard sell" of HD gear, and motorcycles at many Rider's Edge classes. In fairness... the MSF is also referred to as "the motorcycle SALES foundation".
Either class, can impart the impression that a novice, can go from "know nothing" to "capable street rider" in one short weekend.
For an "in depth" understanding of the issues regarding the "Rider's Edge" class, as well as the MSF class, go to http://wmoon.wordpress.com/.
Again, I'm of the opinion that ANY class, is better than going out and trying on your own. The MSF-ERC is simply offered more often, and at more locations.
Frank
Frank:
You have some incorrect information in your posting.
The Rider's Edge New Rider Course is an MSF BRC with a lot more added to the classroom and some additional riding time on the range. The range exercises are identical except for time allotted. Think of it as an MSF BRC with extras. Nothing is subtracted as you have stated above.
The Rider's Edge Skilled Rider Course is an MSF ERC with more activities added to the "classroom" (extended breaks from the range work; there is no sit-down formal clasroom work in an ERC). The range exercises are identical.
Dave
Ultra:
Latus' website only states the availability of the two courses I have described above. There is no mention of a third more advanced curriculum option. I can assure you there is no official third Rider's Edge course. It is possible that Latus has an additional Team Oregon offering though.
Dave
Dave,
I did NOT say the Rider's edge was more, or less... What I did say was
"The material is the same as the BRC, except the first portion is skipped,no introduction to the controls, or "paddle walking" involved. The class goes straight into the slow cone weave."
I should have added MSF-ERC to my description of my ERC experience. And changed "class" to "range portion"
mea culpa
Frank
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dhalen32
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Posted - 10/06/2009 : 5:57 AM
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Ultra:
"Weekday only" sounds like it could be something on a local racetrack. If you give it a try please let us know about your experience.
I took a "try the track" class 5 years ago and have gotten hooked. I do not race, but 4 - 6 times a year I suit up and spend the day at one of two relatively close racetracks. It affords me the opportunity to stretch my bike's legs as well as my skills at cornering and braking. I usually take a class at the beginning of the season and always manage to learn something. It's a way to have some fun without worrying about oncoming/intersecting traffic and you can practice at whatever speed you and your machine are capable of attaining.
The next time Latus offers one of these other advanced courses to your HOG chapter give it a try! They were very active in the Buell racing business this year and I have read great things about their dealership on the Buell forum where I visit from time to time.
Dave
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dhalen32
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Posted - 10/06/2009 : 6:17 AM
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Frank:
We're cool. In fairness ... I didn't want others reading your post believing that the Rider's Edge New Rider Course skipped the first four exercises and went immediately into a slow cone weave. You did say that and it is just not factual. Perhaps you just heard it from another. Like Wendy. 
You also said that taking a class was better than just going out and trying it on your own. On this we are in agreement.
Dave
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bachman1961
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Posted - 10/06/2009 : 6:31 AM
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Originally posted by Axiom2000
I believe formal training from time to time is a good thing regardless of your miles or years of experience. You don't know what you don't know and if in fact you do know everything, it's never a bad idea to have an honest appraisal of your skills. Bad habits creep in from time to time, even Tiger Woods takes lessons.
What does Tiger ride these days ? 
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Axiom2000
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Posted - 10/06/2009 : 12:55 PM
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scottrnelson
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Posted - 10/06/2009 : 2:57 PM
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Originally posted by bachman1961
What does Tiger ride these days ?
Something like this:
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bachman1961
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CB750 NightHawk
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Posted - 10/06/2009 : 3:10 PM
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Scott;
Thanks for the laugh you goofball !
That looks "GR-888-888-888" (tony the tiger)
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